Monday, February 04, 2008

Non-Elect Is Going to Be Saved?

A friend of mine once ask why I believe in Partial Redemption. I responded by asking if he meant Particular Redemption. He said, "no", since I believe God has sent his Son to die in behalf of only the Elect. Although his position only "partially" saves as well (he is not a universalist), it is a deeper understanding of the intention of the Father and the Son that must be grappled with.

Recently, Dr. White posted this "Vlog". Dave Hunt criticizes the usual straw men. There is a statement that I hear all the time that makes me wonder what do General Atonement people believe about who is saved.



At about the 3 minute mark Dave reads the Westminster Confession of Faith"

I. All those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only, He is pleased, in His appointed time, effectually to call,[1] by His Word and Spirit,[2] out of that state of sin and death, in which they are by nature to grace and salvation, by Jesus Christ;[3] enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God,[4] taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them an heart of flesh;[5] renewing their wills, and, by His almighty power, determining them to that which is good,[6] and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ:[7] yet so, as they come most freely, being made willing by His grace.[8]

Please Notice Dave's stressing the "and those only". I have often heard this objection as if God is being unfair that Jesus doesn't actually die for every single individual ever with the intention of saving them. God seems to owe everyone a chance.

The problem for those like Dave is that they just don't think of themselves as being dead sinners. They simply think that all men have some kind of ability to freely choose of their own Libertarian free will. But even still, the Bible speaks of the Elect. Does Dave think somebody who is not of the Elect will come to Christ? Who else is going to believe? Perhaps Dave thinks everyone is of the Elect until..........?

Now the running commentary points out many of the flawed arguments Dave persists in speaking. I don't know why Dave Hunt keeps doing what he does. The power of Tradition is certainly seen throughout his presentation.

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